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Who Was Surprised to be at Pope Francis' Funeral?
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Cleveland Vocations Director Father Eric Garris shares his unexpected experience of being in on vacation in Rome and ending up at Pope Francis' funeral and his last public appearence on Easter Sunday. What began as a trip to celebrate Easter with Cleveland priests studying abroad transformed into a historic moment as Father Garris found himself witnessing history firsthand and becoming a media expert of sorts for various American media outlets. Fr Garris details:
• Originally traveling to Rome for Holy Week and Carlo Acutis' canonization.
• Distributed communion at St. Peter's during Holy Week Services.
• He received news of Pope Francis' death while praying at John Paul II's tomb.
• Joined other priests in the prayers for the dead in St. Peter's Square.
• Attended the papal funeral alongside other Cleveland and Ohio priests.
• Reflected on Pope Francis' commitment to being with his people until the end.
• Discussed the universality of the Church gathering at such historic moments.
• Noted how many young people came for canonization of Carlo Acutis but ended up like him attending a Papal funeral.
• Emphasized trust in the Church's continuity as the conclave approaches.
We also briefly touch on the upcoming papal conclave and set some parameters that the Cardinals might use to determine the next Pope. The Pillar has thoughts, as does the National Catholic Reporter to give two perspectives from both extremes.
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On today's Question of Faith. Who was surprised to be at Pope Francis' funeral? Hey everybody, this is Question of Faith. I am Deacon Mike Hayes. I am the Director of Young Adult Ministry here in the Diocese of.
Speaker 2:Cleveland, and I'm Fr Damian Ferencz, the Vicar for Evangelization.
Speaker 3:Fr Eric Garris, Vocation Director, and I presume to be the one who was surprised to be at Pope Francis' funeral.
Speaker 1:So, fr Garris, you were in Rome and you just happened to be there.
Speaker 3:You were on vacation, right? Yeah, so it was a strange thing. So, in not having a parish assignment, a lot of our at least my current kind of sacramental celebrations are done helping out different places, different guys. Holy Week's a beautiful week and a lot of priests want to be at their parishes and so they don't really give up any other liturgy. So I talked to some of the people here and said, hey, can I go visit some of our Cleveland priests in Rome for Holy Week and then celebrate Easter week with them, because they're off that week and I was given permission to do so. And boom, I was there for it all.
Speaker 2:Well wait, were you also going to be part of Carlo Acutisi's canonization mass? Yeah, so that was part of it, so I went over.
Speaker 3:I got into Rome on Holy Thursday and hit the ground running. I went to mass on Holy Thursday evening at the Casa Santa Maria where Father Damian lived while he was over there studying. We have three Cleveland priests who are over in Rome Father Kevin Klonowski, father Marty Dober, father Tim Roth, and yeah, so the intention was to do the Triduum in Rome and then we had a week, a couple days off, we traveled a bit and then to come back to Rome Saturday, sunday for Carlos canonizationization and head back Right.
Speaker 1:And then what happened? What happened? So a lot happened.
Speaker 3:First of all, trinium in Rome was beautiful, so I was able to distribute communion at St Peter's on both Good Friday and Easter Sunday. So Easter Sunday I was in St Peter's Square. We had mass with I believe it was Cardinal Comastri, who I only know because when I was a junior in college I used to. I studied in Rome for a semester and St Peter's was kind of like my parish and he was like the archpriest of St Peter's at the time, so I saw him all the time After mass. We're all kind of sitting there. Actually, when I was distributing communion in the square, I walked back through St Peter's and I looked over and I saw the Popemobile and I'm like, oh, we're going to see him.
Speaker 3:He's going to come out, and so he came out. Actually, I have on my phone a little greeting of Pope Francis from that morning. You ready for this, mike?
Speaker 1:Yeah, cari, fratelli e sorelli, morning. You ready for this, mike?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So the Pope came out, wished us happy Easter, gave his Urbi et Orbi message that was delivered from some Monsignor priest, I don't know, and then gave us his blessing and then kind of rolled through the square. I saw him on the way out on Conchiliazione give him a little wave and then just kind of went on with it. Was the square packed? The square was packed, yeah. And then there were people all the way down Conchiliazione. So with it being the holy, the jubilee year.
Speaker 2:So this Conchiliazione is the major road that goes into St Peter's and if you see an aerial view it looks like a big key. That goes into St Peter's and if you see an aerial view it looks like a big key. That's the long part of the key that he's talking about there.
Speaker 3:So then, on Easter Monday, I walked down to St Peter's early because I wanted to actually pray in the church, because I wasn't able to previously because it was mobbed with people. I'm at John Paul's tomb, I'm praying, I get a text from Father Sean Ralph, who was over in Rome for a sabbatical. I need to sit RIP Pope Francis. I check out Twitter like a good millennial and have it confirmed via Vatican News. And then I ran down below. St Peter's is where a number of the popes are buried and also where the tomb of St Peter himself is Prayed there and was just kind of like this is wild. So people started coming into the square. Some of the American priests came down, we prayed, we, we did the prayers for the dead, we chanted the imparadesum, which is the, the, the prayer that we pray at.
Speaker 1:You know the priest final commendation and all that stuff so yeah, all together was just like crazy, crazy, crazy and now you. So you stayed for the funeral. And so now, how do you get to can celebrate the funeral? Do you just sign up? I mean, how does that work?
Speaker 3:so with the funeral it's different than the other events. So on good friday and on easter I had to pre-submit my celebrant, my priest card and right, and have that verified and then you, you have to be kind of validated that way and have a ticket For the funeral. We got up and we left at like 6 am I think the funeral was at 10.30 or 10. Walked down it was about a 25-minute walk and then we just waited and then we walked in and there was this huge mob of priests entering into the square. The Swiss guards validate your celebrate. And it was kind of funny because I have like a little Cleveland card. Ours are in Rome, they have like a hard one.
Speaker 2:It looks like a credit card, it looks like a driver's license. It's very professional, yeah.
Speaker 3:So they're like Rome celebrates here, all other celebrates here. So I was in the all other Chellebrits line and so they validate that. And then I joined up with in the square the other Cleveland priests who were there. We actually had an Ohio row, so it was Cleveland, cincinnati and Columbus. I found out later that Fr Mike Pakososik and Father Bill Brown, both from Cleveland, were like a couple rows behind us. And then actually on the way out I ran into the Ignatius kids who were there, who were coming into Rome for Carlos' canonization.
Speaker 3:There are so many young people there for Carlos' canonization who ended up at the funeral, and they ended up at the funeral, which I think is something that was very probably unexpected for all of them, but still like it's not just at the funeral, which I think is something that was very probably unexpected for all of them, but still like it's not just chasing the experience, but like you're participating in church in all those ways, and in the global church too.
Speaker 1:I mean you know there's all these people coming. You know, like World Youth Day is a good example of that.
Speaker 3:It was kind of like Saturday and Sunday in Rome, at least after the funeral. Like was very world youth-esque, so like you're walking through the streets and there's just mobs of young people and they were all there for the canonization and ended up being there for a funeral. Very cool, it's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And so what was your takeaway like from the funeral while you were there?
Speaker 3:It was. So, first of all, part of my takeaway is just, I've been on a number of media and different stuff and I never thought papal death expert would be a title associated with this and part of my willingness to chat with media, to share my story with other people because they weren't there, you know, and I just so happened to be there and I wanted people to know that, like, as much as the church is, this big institution, like it's also something that's very personal and and like you know I said in other places, like Cleveland was there and and it wasn't just a Vatican event and it wasn't just a European event and it wasn't just an event where presidents and monarchs and all these people were there, the church gathered and Cleveland was a part of the church universal and that was there. So that was a really kind of strange thing. Actually, at the beginning of Mass, I remember sitting there and they're bringing the casket out, and I remember as a young person, because John Paul died in 2005 or 2005,.
Speaker 3:I was on spring break and I remember watching his funeral and it being kind of like a very formidable memory for me, like wow, this is a Pope funeral. And then, like it's starting and I'm like this is a Pope funeral and I'm here. I was just sitting there and just kind of taking it all in and like they're bringing the casket on, they're carrying on the shoulders and the ritual is so deep and symbolic and beautiful, but it was just strange to be like this is what my life is now. Like, you know, like I'm here, I'm a priest and I was like, thinking back to that time when I was like 15 watching that, that I never thought that, you know, some 20 years later, I'd be there as a priest for a funeral.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's funny. When John Paul II died, I remember I was in New York at the time working with Busta Talo, and so I had like your role in New York where, like, they were like hey, anybody who could talk about this can can come on television these days, and so I did like CBS this morning, um, uh, the Sunday version of that Right and uh, I think I was in the Midwest version or something. It wasn't good enough for the East coast. Um, but they, they put me in the Midwest version and um, I remember having the same feeling like, oh, I guess I just do this now, you know kind of thing.
Speaker 1:But when I heard you were over there and I heard that you were doing media stuff, my first thought was, oh, thank God. I was like, first of all, Father Eric can speak English really well, and I mean that not like you speak some foreign language, I mean that like you speak well and you know what you're talking about and you can say things in the way that people need to hear them, which is hard to find some days, sure. So thanks for representing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I said it was humbling. It was very, at least for my own like, personally, for my own vocation, like it was very memorable, certainly, but it was also solidifying, Like my final night in Rome. I walked down to St Peter's. When I was in college I used to pray every day at John Paul's tomb for my vocation and then I'd also walk down to St Peter's every night to pray night prayer. And my final night there I walked down and just sat in the square I prayed night prayer and the square itself is like this big embracing, you know the arms, isn't it? Bernini's?
Speaker 3:Colony and I just felt very much like embraced by the church and very much a part of it. Not just as like oh, I'm a papal, like not at all, but like there was a beauty to be a part of those celebrations, because I think when the church gathers in a beautiful way, it's awe-inspiring, and just to be a part of that was super cool.
Speaker 1:FD, any takeaways from watching the papal funeral on your end?
Speaker 2:Well, first, the whole business about representing or being an ambassador is really cool because People feel connected to something greater than themselves. I think that's really nice and that's part of being Catholic, and I think for many people they're saying like, wow, like all the Catholics are connected to this one figure who is a unifier. And I think the papacy made a lot of sense to people who may be part of churches where they don't have that. They only have their local pastor. But when the whole church, like over 1 billion Catholics, like this, is our guy who represents Christ's authority on earth and we've been doing this for 2000 years, People are like whoa, that's really cool. And so there is this sense of the body of Christ and the family, and so there is this sense of the body of Christ and the family, and it's just nice to be part of that and to feel connected in a way.
Speaker 2:And I think this is a wonderful time to be Catholic. I mean we're certainly sad the Holy Father died, but that Christ provides for his church and everything that's going to come next. This is all part of what we do as a family of faith, and so I think that's really beautiful, and the fact that he made it to Easter Sunday. A lot of times when people are sick and dying, they do have some control over when they can go, and I do think he wanted to. I said this last week just experience the resurrection one more time on this side of the veil, and so made it really easy to talk about. Yes, we're sad that he died and yes, we grieve, but we have hope in the resurrection. Death has lost its sting, so let's go we keep moving forward.
Speaker 3:And with that, on my way home, I read one of Pope Francis' somewhat newer autobiography books. I think it was just called Life.
Speaker 1:Life. Yeah, life is one called Hope.
Speaker 3:I believe I've listened to both of them on audiobooks and he said at the end of it he's like I am the pope, but also I am a priest, and as a priest you just want to be with your people, you want to love your people, and he did that.
Speaker 2:He was with us. He loved us Very much.
Speaker 3:And I think that's what the strangeness was Like the next day, that while like I never met him personally, I know Father Damien met him personally Like the strangest was in the same way that like when a family member or a relative dies and you're like I was just with them yesterday, you know, like that was my kind of initial thought. Like, wait, he was just with us yesterday.
Speaker 3:You know like and so like there's a personal connection there albeit you know from driving by, but like I saw him and now he's not, and I think part of that is even I was I was interviewed by the Washington Post, like in the square right after, because I, as as CNA, like to note I'm a tall man and I'm a basic Hannah Broncus yeah, I'm a big American man, you know, just tall, and I'm like, and you know the like, you know, do you think he overworked himself and do you think it was bad that he was like?
Speaker 3:no, I think part of it is. As a culture we don't like to embrace human frailty or death or any of that. And like we don't want, like John Paul at the end of his life, like sick and frail, like that, that said something to people. Um and for him it's like, yeah, I'm sick and I might be hurting, but I want to be with my people.
Speaker 2:And this may be an unpopular thing to say, but it's also a true thing, so I will say it. If he wanted to, he could have just kept away from the people and lived silently and probably lived longer. But he's like I'm 88 years old, I'm going out with my people and that's how you go out. I mean, what the heck?
Speaker 1:In my homily last Sunday I mentioned that I said, you know, I said it would have been very easy and nobody would have blamed him, right, if he just hid himself away in the upper room because that was the gospel, right, you know and just stayed away from everybody and died a very quiet and peaceful death, right? But God love him. He went out with his boots on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he did die a quiet and peaceful death to St. Joseph. Yeah, sure, but he went out. Yeah, went out doing what he did best. He was our pastor and our pope.
Speaker 1:He was a priest, yeah and a priest. We should all hope to go out that way.
Speaker 3:And then that was even like the notion of back to funeral, like funerals are always a weird thing because obviously there's death and you're praying for the soul of the person who has died. But like I also think it's weird that we use the term like, celebrate, like we celebrate funeral liturgies and so, like we're celebrating the paschal mystery, we're celebrating death being resurrection. We're celebrating resurrection within the Easter octave, we're celebrating hope within a hope of eternal life, like within a year of hope, a jubilee year of hope. So there was just so much there and even the presence of the young people, like there's youth.
Speaker 1:You know, and like I, mean as young people.
Speaker 2:It's probably different, like you don't go to a lot of funerals, you know, maybe just for close family members and friends, but like for young people to come to a funeral like that's a message of hope.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, it's wonderful. And in this Jubilee year of hope too and I should mention you, I got a text early Monday morning from Loewen, who saw you, cause you saw a couple of our young friends on the plane home too and they were happy to see you and people were connecting with each other and oh, I saw this. So all that stuff's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of the things that's happened to me during this week is I've gotten a lot of messages from non-Catholics, you know as an ecumenical interfaith officer of the diocese now, and so last night we had the Catholic Jewish Bridge Builders event, which is a lecture series, and they started out the evening saying we just want to say thank you for Pope Francis and that we, you know, we really have, you know, we have so much respect for him.
Speaker 1:And it really went on and on and on about it and I was like wow, you know, I was like this is the. You know he really, you know, affected people all over the spectrum, all over the religious spectrum, never mind the Catholic spectrum. But I think you know, from that whole experience, I was really taken by. You know how much he united so many people. You know not just Catholics, but you know he united people just because of his humanity.
Speaker 3:I think people really respected that the arms of the square are representative of his arms.
Speaker 2:There's no other office like it in the whole world.
Speaker 1:Yes, and a lot of people said that last night. They said, you know, like the woman who was from the Baha'i faith the other day, she said you know, we don't have a head of our church like that, we don't even have clergy. She said and we think people forget that that they don't really have an equivalent of the Pope in their religion a lot of the time. So anyway, pope Francis, rest in peace, and the conclave will be beginning on May 7th my father's birthday, I might add and so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:As it goes, I've been looking at a lot of different news sites. I try to keep my news balanced, and so here are just a couple things I heard that I'd like you to react to. So, the Pillar, let's say they had a thing where they said oh, all the people we're talking to say that they would like to elect someone who's like 79, have a short papacy and have someone who kind of puts things in order, and so that's what they're hearing like all over the place. National Catholic Reporter will say well, you know, the deck is stacked and it's probably going to be someone who thinks in the line of Francis, and you know, we'll see who they pick, basically. And so what are your reactions to? You know, maybe the style of the next pope? You know, we don't know who it's going to be, obviously, but any thoughts?
Speaker 2:It's all speculation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to. I got bigger fish to fry and I don't have any control over it. So I'll pray for the conclave and whatever happens happens I don't care. I mean, I trust it's not the Holy Spirit who picks. But I'm praying for these cardinals that they'll follow the Holy Spirit and the Lord will not abandon this church. I do think we tend, especially as Americans, to think politically about church things. There's certainly an element of politics in the church, but I think that that could get us into dangerous ground.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's all when francis was elected, when we heard bergoglio like you're like who you know it wasn't uh, right like you don't know, and and, um, yeah, there's, there is hope that we will be provided for in the end it's. I will not leave you orphans, I will not abandon you, you know, and, and so that's, that's rung true, even amid you know, because someone mentioned, like the like you think, oh, the Holy Spirit picks. Well, you know, google the name Borgia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, I said that the other day. That was the Benedict thing too. He was talking about that.
Speaker 3:But like, and I think even amid all of that, like and this isn't a judgment on, I'm not saying this in light of like Pope Francis, but just in general like 2000 years plus, good, bad, ugly, beautiful, everything in between we're still here and this.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's right.
Speaker 3:And that being, in the end, like it's the church being provided for. I think there was the situation when, maybe, benedict was elected and Cardinal George had that thing. Where he's standing there, he's looking at St Peter's Square and as you look out, you can see, you know, the Roman Forum and all these things. It's like Rome is in ruins. Where is Caesar's successor? Nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 3:Where is Peter's here here?
Speaker 1:right. Yeah, I would say this like. This is my thought on the whole thing at this point is I think that they have two choices. I tend to think practically about this, you know. I say, okay, how would they think more practically about these things? So do they want another enthusiastic pastor like John Paul II or Pope Francis was you know someone who's kind of out there and can really bring people together? Or do they want more of a manager? Now, you know someone who can kind of get the curia in order, someone who can kind of put things in the right place, could be more of an implementer type. You know of someone who kind of implements the thought of those things.
Speaker 3:I don't think those things are mutually exclusive Correct, but they're hard to find in one person sometimes, yeah, but I think also, damien, and maybe even to you, mike, in being in ministry, like God surprises you in your ability to do certain things. Ain't that the truth? You know, like I'm an evangelizer, well, no, I'm doing administration, I'm doing it. So, like all of that, I think we wait, we see, and we hope and we pray.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, if you're a White Smoke listener, which is another podcast, I'm not sure if the two of you listen to this, so they've been covering all of this and so they said they were giving us a little pop today. So I want to say, if you're a White Smoke listener and you're listening to us, we hope that you'll stick with us. We'll be here every week. So we do this weekly podcast. We answer one question a week. If you have a question of faith, you could email that to me, mhays at dioceseofclevelandorg, and you know we'll be kind of like all things conclave for a little while now because it's going to be in the news when we play the hits here, so hopefully you'll stick with us.
Speaker 3:Is this my longest time being on without completely derailing the conversation? I mean, it's just a lot. We try to shoot for 20, 25 railing the conversation.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's just a lot. We try to shoot for 20, 25 minutes but we had a little technical difficulty at the front end, yeah, so I don't know I don't keep track, but yeah, you focused really well today.
Speaker 3:You did, thank you. Thank you, it was because of my sleep deprivation. My sleep deprivation and I was drinking a Celsius before.
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Speaker 1:Ah not using a phone. Okay, well, anyway. So our church could be St Peter's Basilica this weekend oh beautiful. What's your favorite part about the basilica?
Speaker 3:actually, well, two things. So the altar of the chair in the way back is where I used to go to daily mass, every day. So that's a special place for me, as well as the tomb of John Paul II, who's a hero of mine. As I said, I used to pray at his tomb, which used to be below deck in the grottos when I was in college seminary for my vocation.
Speaker 1:Now he's been brought up top and yeah, our scriptures for this week, third Sunday of Easter and we got a couple of choices. I went with John 21 today Saddest words in all of scripture I'm going fishing.
Speaker 3:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go. Okay, let's see which by the way, john 21.
Speaker 3:Yes, drum roll, please. Gospel reading of Pope Francis's funeral.
Speaker 1:Oh, very good yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't think that Peter was going fishing because he wanted to return to a former way of life. Okay, I think that Peter was going fishing because it was in fishing that he first encountered the Lord. And I'm sure, with you, mike and Marion, that you have places that are special to you, where you met one another, and I think for him, he went back fishing, thinking he appeared to me here before and he might appear again.
Speaker 3:This is a place of encounter for me, and I miss him and I'm longing to be with him, and so I'm going to the place where he first called me Very nice.
Speaker 2:Well, I went through with the first reading. So this is Peter and the apostles who are saying in reply to the captain and the court officials we must obey God rather than men. The God of our ancestors raised Jesus, though you had killed him by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as leader and savior to grant Israel repentance and forgiveness of sins. So he doesn't beat around the bush. He says you killed him, you hung him on the tree. There's two corporal works of mercy that we don't often give too much attention to in our postmodern age. That's admonishing sinners and instructing the ignorant, and that's what Peter's doing here. He's giving straight talk, not in an accusatory way, but just to tell what's true, and then it's part of his resurrection story of his own life.
Speaker 2:Spiritual works of mercy. Spiritual works of mercy. I'm sorry. And the reason he's able to do that is because of what happens in the gospel. He's experienced the Lord's healing in his own life, so now he's able to share it with others. Very nice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, so we're recording this on Wednesday, the 30th, and so if you're around Forest City Brewery tonight, our own Father, damien Ferencz, will be talking about Flannery O'Connor there tonight, so come on out, it'll be a fun time, wouldn't?
Speaker 3:it be great if Flannery O'Connor gave a talk talking about Father Damien.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:She's deceased oh.
Speaker 1:Well, she, could you know, Maybe an.
Speaker 3:AI version of Flannery no.
Speaker 2:You know what, one of the slides that Kayla made my slideshow for tonight and it's beautiful, but one is an AI, flannery and kind of like it, but not really.
Speaker 1:I mean I like it because it looks like flannery, I don't like it because it's ai yeah, we just got a at my parish they made, had a an artist do a rendering of carlo cutis for our youth room and um, that was the one thing we insisted on was like you couldn't be from like an ai drawing, from an actual drawing, and then they would copy it from there. All the stuff that we found too like. Before we hired this artist, we were just looking like, is there something we can buy? And all it was AI and we were like man, we can't put this up.
Speaker 3:It's not good, that's not even like that'd be artificial art.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's right, aa, that's something else.
Speaker 3:Great thing.
Speaker 1:Anyway, Father Eric Harris, thanks for joining us. Thank you Thanks for representing Cleveland out in Rome.
Speaker 2:Grazie mille, fratello.
Speaker 3:See you till I die.
Speaker 1:So we'll have this and a whole lot more next time here on Glister 3.
