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Is This Good-bye?

Fr. Damian Ference and Deacon Mike Hayes Season 3 Episode 20

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All good things must come to an end. After 187 episodes spanning more than three years, we're signing off with our final Question of Faith podcast. But don't worry—this isn't a somber farewell, but rather a reflection on life's transitions and what truly matters.

We open with a profound realization that's hit each of us at different points in ministry: while we take our work seriously, the Church continues regardless of our individual contributions. As Fr. Eric puts it, "If I don't do my job, there'll still be people in the Seminary, because it's God who calls, not me." This humbling truth has taught us to hold our roles with a "loose grip," recognizing that our legacy isn't found in buildings bearing our names or possessions that burden others after we're gone.

The timing of our finale coincides with organizational changes within the Diocese of Cleveland, where divisions are being combined and new ministries are emerging. While we can't share all the details just yet, we're excited about what's next. And how fitting that we record just after Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit empowered the apostles to spread the Gospel in new languages—a beautiful redemption of the Tower of Babel story that once divided humanity.

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Between theological reflections, we answer one final question about fasting before Communion (it's one hour before receiving, not before Mass begins), share softball league updates, and reminisce about memorable moments from our podcast journey. Throughout it all, our conversation maintains that blend of depth and lighthearted banter that's defined Question of Faith from day one.

Though this chapter closes, our ministries continue. We're not disappearing—you'll still find us serving throughout the Diocese of Cleveland, just in evolving roles. As we say in our final moments: "It's not goodbye, it's see you later." Thank you for being part of our journey. Special thanks to Dan Fuerst our sponsor at Briefcase Marketing.  May the questions of faith continue to guide your path forward.

Speaker 1:

On today's Question of Faith. Is this goodbye? Hey everybody, this is Question of Faith. I'm Deacon Mike Hayes. I'm the Director of Young Adult Ministry here in the Diocese of Cleveland.

Speaker 3:

And I'm Fr Damian Ferentz, the Vicar for Evangelization, and I am Fr Eric Garris, Vocation Director Diocese of Cleveland, that's you.

Speaker 1:

That's all of us, that's right.

Speaker 2:

We share that in common. We share the Diocese of Cleveland. That's you, that's all of us, that's right. We share that in common. We share the Diocese of Cleveland in common, and our particular ministries are different.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we are many parts. We are all one body, but the gifts we have we're given to share.

Speaker 2:

We are all one body.

Speaker 1:

Yes, Vocations is all our job anyway.

Speaker 3:

It is. It says that it is the job of all within the church to promote vocations, to build a culture of vocations.

Speaker 1:

I love when people ask you how many seminarians you get this year, you said how many do you send me?

Speaker 2:

That's right, that's right.

Speaker 3:

Quantity, quality. I did. I will say I don't know if this is the area to air this in, but I had a crisis in my life a couple of days ago, driving, and I'm like wait, if I don't do my job, there'll still be people in the cemetery, because it's god who calls, not me. Yeah, it takes the pressure off you yeah, that was it was like wait, what am I doing with my life? Well, I know what I'm doing. I'm, yeah, assisting people, walking with them, all that that's right.

Speaker 2:

I think too, like if I die, let's say you know my plane crashes or the car crashes or somebody hits me as I walk across the street today. Okay, someone else is going to be doing my job and someone else can offer Mass Not that I won't be missed and I don't offer something particular but it's good to keep in mind that there's other things that will happen and the church will go on and life will go on without you.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and look, we're all very serious about our work, right?

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And we all take it really seriously.

Speaker 2:

And our faith.

Speaker 1:

And our faith. And I'm realizing I forgot to start. Oh no, I did start the video. Never mind, We'll keep going then.

Speaker 3:

Do we start the podcast? No, we start it, okay.

Speaker 1:

Rolling. But we're all serious about our work and I would say I used to be I don't want to say less serious about my work. I don't think I'm any less serious, but I think I I like held on to it a little more tightly than I do now and, um, I kind of realized, you know, after a while, like whenever I left a job, somebody else came in and did that job, you know it was, and it was fine and the world kept turning. You know, my friend, joan is a really good check on this. She said she got fired one time from a job and she was like ah, the radio station's gonna be really sorry that they fired me, they're gonna miss me. And they didn't. Yeah, it just went. You know, the station kept going on and she was like yeah, wow, that's the humility.

Speaker 3:

I mean, we've all been in ministry and done different things, but at this point in my life I've been in vocation ministry three years. I was at St Gabriel for one. I was at St Raphael for four. I've been gone from St Raphael, my first assignment, longer than I've been there. And now there's a new, new priest, so my replacement's already moving on. And so you see, it's not just us yes, the minister matters, but it's also the spirit providing for the church in and through and at the particular times.

Speaker 1:

Through all of that it's like when I go back to Busted Halo with the Paulists, people are like, so, Mike, how do you know Busted Halo? And I'm like I started it and they're like what? And I'm like, yeah, and they're like, oh, I thought Father Dave started it and I said no, he came in like five years after the project. I said, as I always remind him, and I said, but it's his. I said this isn't mine anymore, you know, this is his A couple weeks ago, Bishop Molesik ordained eight men to the priesthood.

Speaker 2:

We were all there was ordained as Father John Hawkins and I've known John since he was in high school and his youth minister was in my youth group, so it was really cool and he asked me to vest him and so after we laid hands, the priests, then those who were vesting, stood together in just behind the altar in the sanctuary and one of the guys who was standing next to me in the sanctuary was Rich Semidi. Father Rich Semidi, who was in my youth group back in the day in Hudson, and I assumed he was vesting Father Jeff Lindholm, because they're into Hispanic ministry, they're both really great linguists. Yes, well, as it turns out, I didn't find out till the next day he vested Donatelli and at Father Anthony Donatelli's first mass. Now, I didn't know him when I was in Hudson, but he's a Hudson kid too.

Speaker 3:

He was probably like five Probably.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's probably right, and he was at Kent his first year or two before he transferred to Boer Mail, that's true. But at his first Mass Father Anthony was introducing a lot of the priests that were up there and he said and over there that tall priest with the beard, that's Father Rich Semidi, and he vested me yesterday. And the reason he vested me yesterday was because he was the first one to ask me about priesthood. Wow, and I thought that is so awesome. I wrote Rich a handwritten note just to tell him how proud I was of him, because when he was in high school he shadowed me for a week. And you get to a point like it's like, do your job and then, and then you know, sow your seeds where you sow them and then you, you'll see fruits way down.

Speaker 2:

Now it gets 20 years down the road. Now I've been a priest 22 years and it's a. It's, it's great. And you, you, you deal with life with a loose grip. You don't hold on too tight because then you can't swing the bat too loose, the bat falls out of your hand. So just enough. It's like this marion posture to let things be what they're supposed to be. That's right, yeah.

Speaker 1:

We all have a tendency to do this, though, right, I mean, think about just buildings and street signs, right, like we're all trying to cheat death. Right, you know we're putting names on buildings, you know, in memory of you know, or the you know. The Wrigley Field is probably a good example, even though it's a company, but I mean somebody's named Wrigley.

Speaker 3:

It's named after a stick of gum.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, named after the guy who made that stick of gum.

Speaker 3:

It used to be Jacobsfield. It's not right Jacobsfield. It's named after a gum. Yeah, it's the gum company Wrigley.

Speaker 2:

I thought it was some guy named Wrigley.

Speaker 1:

There was also a Wrigley. I forgot about it, but these things are all named after somebody and people are thinking that this is their legacy. They're keeping it out. No, your legacy is in heaven.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

It's like this is not. We're kind of holding on to this to have some remnant of ourself. Here I always say how many of us could remember our great, great, great, great great grandfather. Now, okay, you could probably look that up, right, you could probably find some trace of it on ancestry or something like that. But do you know how he laughed? Do you know anything about that guy? No, that guy is gone. He is a figment of the past.

Speaker 3:

At the same time, though, is a part of you, even though you're not necessarily aware of that.

Speaker 2:

Right, yeah, and God willing, he's in the promised land waiting for his body to get back. This is where I was going, oh sorry, no, it's okay. Well, you said he was like God. I was like oh no.

Speaker 1:

Are you annihilated? Yeah, he's gone from our memory, certainly on the earth, but God never forgets a single one of us.

Speaker 3:

And so we're all you know, we're all bound together. One of my, one of my weird mind things that I think about is like I'm a priest, it's 2025 and I'm a catholic, but like and I know my grandparents were, but like, who was the first person in my family that became a catholic? That's a good question. And then like but back to that, then, who influenced that person?

Speaker 3:

Who influenced like just how, like it is such a big and beautiful picture that I think we can get so myopic in our vision of like oh, I'm just focused on me and this, but like we're, we are a part of something bigger.

Speaker 2:

And that is why I like to celebrate St Cyril Methodius, because they were the one who brought Christianity to the Slavs and that's where my people come from.

Speaker 3:

Zin dobra jak si mas.

Speaker 2:

Pivo, dva pivo, prosim, that's two pivo.

Speaker 1:

Zin spože, you're wearing a lot here. A little Slovak, a little theology Kapusta A little history.

Speaker 3:

So what's the answer to the question I was?

Speaker 2:

going to say so why are we talking?

Speaker 3:

about this Good question.

Speaker 2:

This may come to you as a surprise, but today is the final episode of Question of Faith.

Speaker 3:

Because we've answered all of them, right, that's right.

Speaker 1:

There's no more or we've exhausted our knowledge. Our job is done here.

Speaker 3:

That's right, god bless Thank you.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, have a good night.

Speaker 2:

We're Question of Faith.

Speaker 1:

So we started Question of Faith on January 18th 2022. So more than three years, Good run.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, really good run. Do you guys have a favorite question?

Speaker 1:

Ooh, yeah, I do Go ahead.

Speaker 2:

What do you got? Did Carrie Underwood make Axl Rose smile?

Speaker 3:

Was that the topic?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that was one, did she? Yeah, she did.

Speaker 3:

Did she?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, she did, he's always so angry and she played some music festival and brought him up to play with her and I've never seen him smile so much and I told Mike at the time before he was a deacon I'm like, could we do this? Because I love talking about that stuff and it made me so happy and it was such a weird thing to talk about. So that was my favorite episode.

Speaker 3:

Sorry.

Speaker 2:

I'm fidgety.

Speaker 3:

It might be picking up. People are going to be hearing it?

Speaker 1:

I can't hear it Crinkling your mint.

Speaker 3:

Well you can see this. If you're listening, there you go. Now you can hear it.

Speaker 1:

That's like the weird ASMR thing?

Speaker 3:

isn't that the thing where people like jiggle jewelry and say like is that what I hear at night from your room?

Speaker 1:

No, they pour sand into a thing. So, how many different episodes? 186 episodes.

Speaker 3:

Wow, should have quit at 200. I think I've been on. Maybe let's do 14 more 15, 12.

Speaker 1:

This is 187, actually, which is also the code for murder.

Speaker 2:

I thought it was 18. 187.

Speaker 3:

That's from a police code. Well, there you go, because it's a 187.

Speaker 2:

Taking out the podcast, exactly.

Speaker 1:

And we're not being told to do this. They're not firing us, it's run at scores.

Speaker 3:

Transitions happen and changes are real.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and changes are afoot. You know we're combining divisions here in the diocese, or a division of catechetics and parish life, and special ministries are combining into one division and so some changes are happening on. I can't say too much about this because we're going to make an announcement on July 1st, but you know I'll be moving into some new areas, that's all that?

Speaker 3:

What do they say? In a little while you will see me, but then you'll see me, and then you'll see me. It's like the resurrection, just in a different form.

Speaker 2:

But the same form. Tuesday our new priests and those who are on the move in this rotation show up at their new assignments.

Speaker 1:

That's right, yes, so that's a change.

Speaker 2:

And your assignment is still fairly new over at the cathedral Still fairly new yeah, I'm getting into it, picking up some weddings now, trying to figure out building a young adult group at the cathedral. That's exciting, so yeah.

Speaker 3:

You got Wednesday Night Lives, yep.

Speaker 2:

I'm moving too. I'm moving from the fifth floor down to the second floor.

Speaker 1:

Oh right, yeah, here in this building, in this building, yes, in this building yeah, not in your residence With Mrs Mary Fugate, she's going to come down with me? Yes, she's coming down.

Speaker 2:

I'm inheriting Mary's desk because I'm moving offices also, so I'm moving just across the hall A lot of movements like musical chairs up on the fifth floor.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm almost all moved, so I'm kind of ready to settle in.

Speaker 2:

I'm just saying, hey, let's get a move on. I'm actually looking forward to the move. I'll miss my view, but I wasn't in my office that much. But what I'm really excited about is now I could put my books on the south side of my office so that they won't be facing the sun and experience sun damage.

Speaker 3:

And I was really worried about that. Have they experienced fading?

Speaker 2:

They've started to, they've started to, and it's caused deep concern within my soul. I don't collect many things and I am like the anti-hoarder I try to get rid of stuff.

Speaker 1:

But I do like books. I do like books. Yeah, I'm a much more of a hoarder than probably both of you are.

Speaker 2:

Yeah Well, I told this story before my dad was in the nursing home. We ran out of money. We had to sell his house. So my brother is like Mr Businessman, so he took care of all the sales and all that. My job was emptying out the house Worst job ever. You know, my dad was a greatest generation guy so we held on to a lot of stuff and it was painful, not just physically but like emotionally, to let go of my childhood home and I had a lot of good memories there and so I told myself when I die whether I get hit by a car, my plane crashes or I get hit jaywalking across the street today this is the second time I'm saying that. I'm going to say you it's partly partly.

Speaker 2:

I went to confession yesterday, so I'm cool, you're good.

Speaker 1:

I did too, but oh good, I'm going tomorrow yeah well, it's a good thing to do.

Speaker 2:

I just don't want to burden my family or my friends when I die. They could say, wow look, he put everything in four Tupperware boxes and he's just got a lot of books. We could handle that. I'm trying to do a service, an act of charity toward those whom I love when I die, even if it's today, if I get hit by a car, the plane crashes or I get hit crossing the street jaywalking.

Speaker 1:

I have a lot of framed pictures and books, like you, so those are the things I had to move all the way into my new office.

Speaker 2:

The framed pictures. I'm slowly getting rid of those, because how many framed pictures can you have? And then, when you die, what are people going to do? They're going to be like what are we going to do with this? You know what I mean, but it's nice to have for now.

Speaker 1:

It's nice to have for now. I'm actually not a big picture. I have a whole crate of framed pictures. See, I think that they would tell a story when they find me, they'll.

Speaker 3:

I think that's generational, though, because you entered adulthood prior to iPhone. That's also true, so I think people's new framed picture is your cloud.

Speaker 2:

And your phone.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 1:

That's true.

Speaker 2:

If I really like a picture, I'll print it and then I'll Well, I have a wall of fame with Bruce Springsteen, teddy Griffin, gillian Welch and Jules autograph behind my couch.

Speaker 3:

That's like you know, those are in frames. Those aren't going anywhere. I don't have any pictures in my room. I have pictures in my office.

Speaker 2:

Don't you have a picture of Dr Brule in your room somewhere?

Speaker 3:

No, I have a signed picture from Gary Busey. It says To Father Eric God bless Gary Busey.

Speaker 2:

When I was ordained, Father Steve Breck got me an autographed picture of Brett Michaels, the lead singer of Poison, and I had it in my music room at my first parish. And one of the maintenance men really liked Brett Michaels. I'm like do you want it? He's like I would love it, so I gave it to him.

Speaker 3:

That's nice of you. He's got my Bret Michaels, get your hands up.

Speaker 2:

When Father Jacob Bearer.

Speaker 3:

I don't know maybe it was his birthday or something, but Gary Busey wrote a book called Buseyisms where it was his life story and every chapter was one word but it was an acronym, so I got him the one that said FREEDOM, which stands for Facing Real Exciting Events. No, facing Real Exciting Elephants, real exciting events no.

Speaker 2:

Facing real exciting. Elephants, energy developing out of forget, forget what it is. That doesn't spell feelings, freedom.

Speaker 3:

Facing real exciting energy developing out of forget? I don't know I remember cat was conniving and tactical memory well developing out of miracles facing real exciting energy developing out of miracles.

Speaker 2:

I remember cat was conniving and tactical Memory. Conniving and tactical Very nice.

Speaker 3:

Developing out of miracles. Facing real, exciting energy developing out of miracles.

Speaker 1:

That's freedom, that's very nice.

Speaker 3:

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Speaker 2:

Well speaking of random things. Didn't you get some question, some question about something we did?

Speaker 1:

So someone wrote in this week and said do I have to fast before I receive communion? How long do I have to fast before mass starts? Do I have to fast before I receive communion? What's the deal with this?

Speaker 2:

And we answered this question before the show in a matter of 30 seconds. So somebody go.

Speaker 3:

Yes, but the church also doesn't ask you to do that, which is impossible, and so if you are in a situation where you need to eat food, you're able to be dispensed from that, and it's an hour before communion. So, essentially, don't be eating a donut walking into the church building, and part of it is to create a. It's not like it's just to create a disposition and a space and a longing within your heart where it's like I'm not just going from thing to thing to thing. This means something, so I'm willing to wait for it and to anticipate it and, yeah, prepare for it.

Speaker 1:

If you need proof, Canon 919 is the one that lists this, and it is one hour before you receive communion, not one hour before Mass begins.

Speaker 3:

Correct. So if you go to a long Mass, like if you go to the Easter Vigil, you can actually eat a Rice Krispie treat at the beginning and still be fine.

Speaker 2:

You could probably eat a Rice Krispie treat during the first reading, but I wouldn't encourage it. I wouldn't encourage it either. I just said you could if you were a child.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, if you're a kid and you got a bag of Cheerios. It's always Cheerios, or if you're an adult and you see a rogue Cheerio on the ground, you can eat that.

Speaker 1:

You could, you should blow it off first, there might be some like dust on it A little bit, or a hair, that's right.

Speaker 2:

One never knows. I mean, hopefully the church floor is clean.

Speaker 3:

Right, but sometimes they're not. You never know.

Speaker 2:

Depends on your parish.

Speaker 3:

Sometimes there's dermis D-O.

Speaker 1:

It's good that you're bringing words like dermis back into the lexicon there.

Speaker 3:

Thank you words like dermis, back into the lexicon there. Thank you, no problem, your dermis is showing your skin.

Speaker 1:

Good thing this is the last show, because if it wasn't, yeah canceled the uh the. The other thing, too, is that medication uh does not count that's yeah and water does not count.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like if you need to eat before, yeah, water does not also, if you're hungry, just drink a huge glass of water and you won't be hungry yeah, that's the first thing I do 32 ounces in the as soon as I wake up go for it same I don't measure mine, I just drink out of my water bottle until I'm satisfied. Well, good for you. Wow, but I wonder if it's 32 ounce I don't know how much is in an algin depends on how big, the now gene is? I think it's a 32 ounces.

Speaker 3:

There you go. See, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1:

Actually I think it's 64 if it's in Nalgene.

Speaker 3:

I have too many stickers on it to know yeah, right, exactly, maybe you should weigh it. Does 32 ounces of water weigh 32 ounces? I, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, huh, wow, you never know Again. You'll learn a lot here A little math, a little biology, you guys listeners are going to miss this show.

Speaker 2:

They will. I can tell there's some people who are starting to tear up Miss Garris taking us off the track.

Speaker 3:

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Speaker 1:

Hey, softball started.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, by the way, you want me to do a quick softball update. Bring you guys up to date. Sure, sure, why not Last show? So the season kicked off at St John Bosco, the Parma Peacocks all good things come from Parma. Right, they thrashed the St Vitus Lions 8-1. The Peacocks had an amazing defense all day long. They've really solved their infield woes from last year. They allowed a first inning run and only six hits all day long. Pablo Garcia-Jaraz two hits, two RBIs a stellar day on the mound. The defending champions, big League Chew, defeated their longtime rival, catching Flamingos 13-8. Matt Liberatore a huge home run, along with newcomer Joe Kottmeyer, tom Cranes and Jim Kottmeyer three hits apiece. Chosen Ones knocked off the Holy Rosary, a new team in the league. The Holy Rosary Parish came into the league. Are they the?

Speaker 3:

Holy Rosary Beads.

Speaker 1:

That would be good. I'm going to give them that suggestion.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we should be the Beads.

Speaker 1:

Or Spaghetti. They need some Rosary Beads because they lost 17-2. And the game shortened five innings. Johnny Reynolds and Steven Newbold with home runs in that one. A nine-run fourth inning that put the Mercy Rule in play. Game of the day West Sideway Caps squeak by the St Joe's Vikings 8-7. Tom Bruno three hits, two RBIs. Play of the day Captain Logan Feltkamp saves the day.

Speaker 1:

A defensive spark slaps the tag on father Ian Kelly at second base. I bet she was mad. He was. He was trying to catch him sleeping. He's very competitive and so he just took off to second base. They fired the ball toward megan bolin who was standing at second, and logan jumped in front of her, slapped the tag on ian in one motion. Then ian's foot hit the bag and I was the umpire and I called him out and immediately manager anthony mincini comes running across the diamond to me. He goes what do you? Did you see there? And I said I saw Logan tag him and then his foot hit the bag. He went. Oh okay, he turned around and walked back to the dugout. So that was a great game 8-7. Really good win for the West Side Whitecaps over the St Joe's Vikings.

Speaker 1:

The night cap, the Itay Mighty Doves got past the Blue Scapulars 14-10. Andrew Kukla, three RBIs and a homer. Gabby McGuire back in action. Gabby actually had a. You know this is really rough. She played in a summer league that was not our league and she took a line drive off the face.

Speaker 2:

Oh.

Speaker 1:

And was really, really hurt out of concussion, all those kinds of things. So she is fully recovered, which is great, and she pitched Jim yesterday and she also got three hits in the ballgame, so good for her. Dave Smith, with two RBIs as well. Next week we'll transition the softball update into sort of like little YouTube videos for the week, so we'll do something sort of live to tape, so to speak.

Speaker 2:

Nice.

Speaker 1:

Grab people off the field and do a little interview with them.

Speaker 3:

Are you going to reel them in?

Speaker 1:

Do some little reels for the softball update, that'll be good. Are you going to reel them in? Do some little reels for the softball update, that'll be good. Keep it real Out at St John Bosco in Parma Heights.

Speaker 3:

St John Bosco. I'll be there on Sunday morning. They've got a little 5K going on, oh really yeah In the Metropark.

Speaker 2:

What time is?

Speaker 3:

that Maybe 8.30 am or so.

Speaker 2:

I'll be there on July 19th for the 4 and then pilgrimage down to Incarnate Word. Tom Mevinshuck's going to play, knights of Columbus is going to grill out.

Speaker 3:

Do you think that should be our church? Did you guys already do that before?

Speaker 2:

I mean, we've done them all, I think.

Speaker 3:

Well, you've had a hundred and 87. Yeah, yeah, how about the church being you? The church is you what?

Speaker 2:

I mean, I understand what you mean the body of.

Speaker 3:

Christ, the people that's right, we are. Animated by the power of the. Holy Spirit, speaking of the Holy Spirit, what Pentecost, pentecost, oh nice segue.

Speaker 1:

Good job so, from the Acts of the Apostles, our first reading. When they—let me do this one Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven staying in Jerusalem. At this sound, they gathered in a large crowd, but they were confused because each one heard them speaking in his own language. They were astounded in amazement. They asked are not all these people who are speaking Galileans? How does each of us hear them in his native language? We'll go through all the various places.

Speaker 3:

So the funny thing about that list every time I've had Mass a couple of times, occasionally at the Guardian Stadium. They do a. Sunday morning Mass for staff and whomever. Tom Hamilton oftentimes reads, and last year was this reading, I think as well. Is it always this reading? I think so. It was something. It was like the Edomites and all those things. But I remember a couple years ago he was like reading and he's like there were Parthians and Medes and Nagos and people from a number of other places.

Speaker 1:

And he just continued on.

Speaker 3:

And so I went into him last year or two years ago, whatever it was. I'm like, do you do when you get like a real hard name? You know like he's like, well, I read the media guide. You know like, yeah, they give you a phonetic. Yeah, like I'm what's? Who's a hard baseball name? Let's, let's go back in the annals Garcia Parra, yeah, nomar. Nomar Garcia Parra. Andres Galarraga, paul Zovella wow, troy.

Speaker 1:

Tulewitzki, that's a fun name. One of the best was the Yankee PA announcer, the great Bob Shepard. For many years he had that now about a number two, derek Jeter number two. So he comes into the locker room one day and Paul Zovella, a little-known infielder for the Yankees, is standing in his locker and Mr Shepard comes over and taps him on the shoulder and goes is it Zovella or Zovella? And he goes, zovella. He goes, thank you. And he just turns around and walks away and Zovella just goes. Who the?

Speaker 3:

heck was that.

Speaker 1:

And we said that was God. And he goes. What it was? Vox Dei. He was like what? And I said you'll understand after you're first at bat.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, but I told Tom I'm like so go to the media guy before mass and check out all those places. And all those places matter because there's people coming in and going out and the spirit's working and it's not contained just to their language.

Speaker 2:

I thought of some really difficult baseball player names.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Ty Cobb, yeah and Babe Ruth.

Speaker 3:

Babe Ruth, pete Rose, you can really get those confused. Mickey Mantle yeah.

Speaker 2:

So, pentecost, I like doing the typology business and if you remember, back in Genesis, when humankind got so arrogant, they thought they would just build this tower up to God and become God themselves. There's actually a really good short story called the Tower in the latest issue of the Dappled Things, which brought this to mind. And then, in order to punish them, god gave them all different languages. So now at Pentecost, there is a redemption of that Babel moment where the apostles are given the gift of tongues so that they can go out and take the gospel to all the corners of the earth in all different languages. So I like making that connection. I think it's cool, very nice.

Speaker 3:

And they do that and we're here because of it. Si, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Indeed, gave the apostles the courage to go out in the first place when the Holy Spirit comes and descends on them as well.

Speaker 2:

Tak.

Speaker 3:

That's yes in Russian, russian. Russian and dak is in Polish. Yes and da.

Speaker 2:

Da dak, tak Si, we Ja in.

Speaker 3:

German Ja.

Speaker 1:

Da man the linguist among us.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, this is the gospel going out. Yes, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

I say yes my Lord. And everyone heard it in all of their languages.

Speaker 2:

I say yes, my Lord.

Speaker 3:

All of our bilingual things. Ceasing things Exactly.

Speaker 1:

Well, it's been real, it's been real, it's been fun, it's been real.

Speaker 3:

It's been real, it's been fun. But I wouldn't say it's been real fun, no. I always enjoy coming on the old pod.

Speaker 2:

You do, that's why we asked you back. It's not like we're not going to be around, so we'll see you around at some point, and we might show up in some kind of form like this again at some point.

Speaker 3:

Yes, stay tuned.

Speaker 2:

You never know, we can do the.

Speaker 3:

Ryan Seacrest.

Speaker 2:

Like a rhinestone cowboy.

Speaker 1:

You're just going through the musical lexicon that I owe you.

Speaker 2:

Well, I got my hair cut.

Speaker 1:

That's true. That automatically just equates to the musical. Okay, good to know. It activates part of my brain. I don't have that problem.

Speaker 3:

Isn't that that Holy Spirit activate? Wasn't that a thing? See, yeah exactly. Well.

Speaker 1:

Father Damien, I remember when we first got together and we met in your office and asked to come up with some creative ideas, I said we should do a podcast. And you just looked at me and you went yes, please.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I thought you were going to do it, and then you said you do it with me, and so it's been fun, it's been a good run. It has been fun, it's been a good run.

Speaker 1:

Good three and a half years listening to us here in Question of Faith. We've certainly enjoyed producing this podcast and you know we'll be around, we won't go anywhere. So we might even drop in a little like maybe program note when I'm able to say what I'm doing here. So I'm not leaving the diocese, I could say that much.

Speaker 1:

I'll still be working at the diocese, yeah you're a deacon, you're doing your thing, yeah that's right, and I'll still be at St Chris as the deacon St Chris, so you can catch me there. You can catch me. And I'll be podcasting homilies, at least going forward.

Speaker 3:

Do you know that a group of dolphins is called a pod I did know that and a group of ravens is called a cast. So when the dolphins play the ravens, you're watching a podcast. A pod coming up against a cast. What do you call?

Speaker 2:

a group of peacocks?

Speaker 1:

I don't know, I don't either. We should ask, we should ask.

Speaker 2:

Next time on Question of Faith. Just kidding.

Speaker 3:

This is the last one. What do you call?

Speaker 1:

a group of peacocks. Loden, loden.

Speaker 3:

Loden. I found three.

Speaker 1:

Muster ostentation and pride Pride, Pride of peacocks, Expectation and pride.

Speaker 2:

Pride, pride of peacocks.

Speaker 3:

I like the word muster.

Speaker 2:

A muster of peacocks. Yeah, I'm going to go get some mustard and ketchup, unless I get hit by a car.

Speaker 3:

This is just delaying the inevitable now. All right, we'll see you later.

Speaker 2:

Thanks everybody Take care everybody.

Speaker 3:

Have a good night, it's not goodbye.

Speaker 1:

It's see you later. It's see you later.

Speaker 3:

Goodbye podcast.

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